Here we have evidence, either from Liana Kerzner herself, or a rabid fan whose taken it upon themselves to speak for them because they’ve listened to Liana’s fictional tale of what’s happened, that WE are NOT the ones who are desperate for us to once again talk to Liana Kerzner.
And yes, fictional tale. Here’s a sampling of why I say that: Maus and I never consented to having transparency extend into our private lives, I never consented to being mitigated by Liana, we never knew there was a problem with our behavior until we read it in the Discord, Liana did not confront us about anything, Liana did not tell us they were going to make the cancellation statement so we had no opportunity to “not believe her,” I did try to comply with their “mutually agreed upon plan” and Kerzner shot it down with “blah blah blah,” and that’s *just* the cancellation video… there’s now 20 months of this shit, like, for more examples, I’ve *never* expressed dislike at being called a “terrible person,” and in fact anyone who knows me knows that it would not only be out-of-character for me, but also untrue, since I’m often *very satisfied* to be considered “terrible” by horribly judgmental classist, ableist, and sexist people like Liana Kerzner (all qualifiers are my opinion alone), or that they were going to make me do anything in the literal sense, or that *I* am so miserable I can’t accomplish anything…
Speaking of that… I’ve mentioned before, in this video, how Liana Kerzner doesn’t want certain people to accomplish anything, even very specific people, as it would destroy the part of their story where we’re pathetic, miserable, and gross weirdo furry misogynists in our mother’s basement accomplishing nothing:
And, lo and behold, what happens RIGHT AFTER my knotty artificial intelligence livestream last night? (Embed at the bottom of the post)
THIS
Which, wow, let me break it down for ya:
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- Suitable_Parsley4799 writes:
holy shit no. reddit sucks as usual. they’re getting the story wrong. and people with a canceled project are attacking her.- asherwolfstein writes:
If you are going to get on here and say this kind of thing, the least you could do out of respect is say what and where the story is wrong. It’s very much part of the issue in this situation that there are assertions made by *one side in particular* that aren’t “backed up” by anything. It’s like if *certain people,* certain *important people,* or at the least *seen as important* say something, it’s just **BAM** fact, but if *anyone else* says something, particularly anybody else that doesn’t “creat things,” that isn’t a *creator,* as in, aren’t *important people* say anything, it’s **BAM** immediately a lie and wrong and missing context.
Once you address that asymmetry, out of any shred of respect for me, for us, for “the other side,” you know, all that ‘respect’ Liana allegedly has (but never shows), then you have something to say.
Otherwise, you’re just a “tricked toadie” to phrase it like Kerzner might. She’s “tricked you” and, ackshaully, she has lied to you.
What EXACTLY is wrong about the story rando anonymous account? What EXACTLY have *I* the very person *IN* the story, gotten wrong?
Have the decency to explain.
Thanks.
[EDIT FOR TYPOS]- volkyboy writes:
she did on her own YouTube videos there is a whole record of them. Or you can ask her for yourself. Sometimes these things just happen- asherwolfstein writes:
I cannot ask her myself.
Everything that’s happened is the result of me talking directly to Liana Kerzner about an issue for three days straight, everything.
And you’re suggesting I do it again?
No.
The riskiest and worst thing I could possibly do for myself is to talk directly to Liana Kerzner, especially in “private.” Maybe it’ll be a “business conversation” this time again because she was a former customer of a business I don’t even own anymore. Maybe it’ll be “harassment” because she’s already sent a lawyer’s letter. Maybe it’ll “prove” that I was the one sending the messages somehow in Kerzner logic (it won’t, I didn’t). I *know* it’ll definitely “prove” that all along I just wanted her to talk to us agaaaiiin *flails in fun compassion like Kerzner*
[EDIT: And that’s where you, Per, Aileyn, Krogan, et al in a little sour guild will march out and predictably, like clockwork, post “Manchiiiild, always ruuning back to meeee…” like dipshits who think they’re better than everyone else because Kerzner has inflated your egos so much that you think you can judge EVERYONE.]
No, Volk. No. Like… are you really THAT unempathetic to my situation?
Have you really been paying THAT little attention?
You are brainwashed.- Suitable Parsley4799 writes:
you’re leaving nazi comments on her videos.- MerryjestStachild writes:
Nope. You are the one leaving Nazi comments on her videos and accusing others of doing it.
See how easy that is?
We have data, all you have is “Trust me, brah”, like you said that one time.
Pancake bubbles bust [sic] very quickly. - asherwolfstein writes:
No. No, I’m not. 9.9
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- Suitable_Parsley4799 writes:
can’t or wont/
now you’re weaponizing empathy when you don’t have it? then saying i’m part of a discord that i was never a part of.- You can’t weaponize empathy. And what empathy do I not have?
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- cheshiredreamer writes:
Asher and I have a question for you, Volky.
You say she has addressed it all on her YouTube channel.
How can she have rebutted all of our claims if not a single one of her videos “is about us” according to her own words?
Care to answer that? Because it sounds like, as a member of her audience, you’ve just confirmed our assertions that she does, in fact talk about us and uses signs and references by inference to signal to her audience about the identity of her targets. Which directly contradicts what she has been claiming for 19 months, and what her lawyer claimed, too
Oops.- Suitable_Parsley4799 writes:
because she says the issue, not your names. god I am some how being told i was part of a DISCORD? that i’ve never been a part of?
maybe you could lay off the sauce.- MerryjestStarchild writes:
Thank you for proving our claims for months that her ‘tangential references’ were about us, which she constantly has denied.
But, as a member of her audience, you clearly knew who she was talking about.
This is excellent evidence, and I thank you from the bottom of my heart for supplying it. - asherwolfstein writes:
This is classic Kerzner-logic. Hmmm. If they don’t say our names then they can impose the interpretation that it’s “not about us,” when the issue itself identifies us, as evidence by you claiming they’ve replied to everything we’ve presented.
It’s that simple. This isn’t really something you can debate now.
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- MerryjestStarchild writes:
Has she mentioned the fact that she divulged the personal mental health information of Song Eretson, Mitchell Jura, Giant Enemy Krab and Moises, all of whom were her Peer Counseling clients until she had a falling out with them and then divulging things that were confided to her as a *peer counselor*?
Yeah, I figured she didn’t. You know jack. Which makes you the average Liana Kerzner viewer.
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she addressed it but you have to lie. as you do.- asherwolfstein writes:
Hello Liana. I’m ceasing communication with you. Your sock puppets will only hurt you. That was a generosity you don’t deserve.
EDIT: This damage control thing where you’re clearly attempting to get a rise, explosion, or muddy the waters will not work. You’re splitting. Stop.
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- MerryjestStarchild writes:
Incorrect. Here alone are eleven claims she made about the development of the game, and the proof that shows every single one of them as false.
https://bossfightgame.com/Claims/Index-of-Claims.html
What does Liana offer? her “trust me, brah?”
Yeah, try doing better.
[image]- Suitable_Parsley4799 writes:
cute. oh no they were unable to fulfil and bit off more than they can chew. or … maybe you could talk.
it fell through. just say you hate her because she’s jewish.- asherwolfstein writes:
WE are clearly NOT the ones that want someone to talk to us again. - asherwolfstein writes:
Uh… wut?
My name is literally Asher Cain Holley aka Asher Kadar Wolfstein.
Just *shakes head* this one is so egregious that I have to nip that in the bud.
Realize this is making things worse for you.
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She only offers “trust me brah” in comparison to this. She claims she’s never divulged. YOU KNOW THAT’S wrong Volk. I’ve SEEN the Discord.
DO BETTER. Apply the same standard to yourself that Liana applies to everyone else.
[EDIT: Also, for your own interests, as a generosity, don’t make the mistake of thinking I haven’t seen what you’ve said in the Discord.]- Suitable_Parsley writes:
OH SO SCARRY. i can’t take you seriously because i haven’t been in that discord. or know what you’re talking about.- MerryjustStarchild writes:
I was replying to Volky, not you, stop inserting yourself into everything. Not every conversation is about you, you know.
That’s terribly narcissistic.
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- Suitable_Parsley4799 writes:
iv’e not been in the discord
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- MerryjestStarchild writes:
We’ve more than *seen* the Discord. We’ve got a pretty thorough record of what was disclosed, by whom, and when. It’s kind of astonishing that you’d be part of that, Volky, and not even bat an eye. Then again, we’ve also seen what *you* said int he Discord, so I am not surprised:
This what you’re part of
https://youtu.be/MftvEGK8Fdw
And this was when I only had *three* confirmed ex-clients. That number is now five.
Keep defending her. I am sure it will work out marvelously for you.- Suitable_Parsley4799 writes:
I will gladly defend her. when the accusation against her is that she has mind powers.
at least she had a project that failed. you have nothing but saying she has psycic powers. oh and becuse she’s jewish and harassed by hassan. i get it
[ASHER NOTE: We have never *ever* mentioned Hasan.]- asherwolfstein writes:
“you have nothing”
This one is also egregious and narcissistic.
I mean, I have this: https://youtube.com/live/hLO0qQfx-Dk
And this: https://asherwolfstein.com/failed-abstractions-interfaces-gone-wild-a-series/
You’re very pathetic.
EDIT: Also, equating projects and accomplishments with moral value in an argument is PEAK Liana.
And Liana… you RUN the discord, so, yeah, yo’ure definitely in it. - MerryjestStarchild writes:
“Every time they do it, I see the inside of their own mind and it is an awful place*. And they are so deeply in denial about where the source of their unhappiness is because it’s of the daddy didn’t really love you variety, you know, or mommy didn’t really love you or no, you weren’t really popular as a kid. And none of this really matters in the grand scheme of things, but that’s their work to do.”*
– Liana Kerzner, Traumatic Sports History and Other Stories (Feedback Friday) https://youtu.be/3DyTkPDO-_4?t=998
We’re not the ones claiming we can see inside other people’s minds, Li. Your game is pretty obvious and you really aren’t very good at this.
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I have logged, transcribed, and tagged every single video she has put out on YouTube since the situation and several before that, every single episode of It’s Not Therapy since the situation, and every Patreon video she has released, as well as almost every Discord message from the month of the situation onward. I have every relevant Tweet she ever posted since the situation, every BlueSky post she’s ever made, and every Tweet she ever made up until a certain date. WHY do you think she told me to “delete everything,” which, no, I do not need to do that.
I have yet to find anywhere where she has addressed any point I’ve said, Maus has said, or any semblance of how the situation went from our side. Every time she’s addressed it at all, it’s negative, it’s all someone else’s fault, it’s inaccurate, it’s off-the-side, it maliciously misinterprets or misrepresents what I’ve said
[EDIT: Also , ALL THE LIES. For example, that I never “complied,” I tried to! That she confronted us multiple times? Nope. That we cherry pick years of convos? Nope. That I oversold a situation that wasn’t traumatic? Oh hell the fuck no… That I wrote a clickbaity article about my lack of guilt and wanted sympathy? nope nope nope and on and on and on.]
Point to me EXACTLY where she has explained it in anywhere NEAR the detail, head on, honestly, presenting things beyond two or three sentences, vague broad brushstrokes, and negative, “bad person” language
Otherwise, THIS as well is a vague thing. And also, please don’t minimize my situation again as if “both sides are bad and oh well.”- Suitable_Parsley4799 writes:
oh stalker chan? if you actually did and actually contacted her. you’d know.- asherwolfstein writes:
I have no idea what this comment is trying to say. Are you encouraging me to contact “Stalker-Chan”? To contact Liana? This reply makes no sense to me.
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- Suitable_Parsley4799 writes:
ok prove the harassment. you say you have me saying things in a discord. say she’s done all sorts of crap… oh no five failed clients… with stalker chan.
OH BOY. just say you hate the outspoken woman who is a jew and was targeted… as you all now leave nazi comments- asherwolfstein writes:
No. No, we don’t leave NAZI comments. 9.9
EDIT: The “Stalker-Chan” thing is making no sense. And the only person I know around these parts that actually calls Emily Schooley “Stalker-Chan” would be Liana Kerzner. And Liana Kerzner sucks at sock puppets… literally, I’m guessing. - MerryjestStarchild writes:
Five ‘failed’ clients?
Mental health peer counselor clients whose details she divulged to friends and her discord, violating ethics that, were she licensed, would get her license suspended.
Care to address that? How she claimed that Song’s abusive household was a scam to her server (99 paying people), how she told people that Moises’ past of abusive boyfriends was ‘just a sob story.’ How she revealed Mitchel Jura’s history of hospitalization, family dynamics and mental diagnostic to her friends?
Shall we talk about that? And what her ethical responsibility was to those people, who entrusted her with their mental health pasts and secrets and she divulged them when she got angry at them?
Incidentally? My mother’s family name is Spinoza. I have a star of David she left me on her death bed from when we both were in Israel. One of my closest friends asked me to sing the Lecha Dodi at her Bat Mitzvah. So, keep trying to accuse me of anti-semitism if you want to look like a fool, and actually address the evidence.
But we both know you can’t. You have never been able to.
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- chieshiredreamer writes:
Please explain what part of the story is wrong? This is the perfect place to say it.
Feel free to look at all the evidence accumulated here: https://bossfightgame.com
Surprise surprise: she lied to you. She does that a lot, and the evidence is all there, all primary sources. No hearsay and no rumors.
What evidence does she present? Her trust me bro?
Yeah.- asherwolfstein writes:
So many replies and yet…
*crickets*
- asherwolfstein writes:
So. I’ll put this in context since I’m sure some won’t see the connection.
Kerzner is highly aware that I get *VERY DISTRACTED* by things that bother me, that annoy me. I’ve written this before, so this is no where near a new observation, that Kerzner deliberately taunts, and evokes outrage and consternation from Kerzner’s victims. What I wrote about the “damage control” is prescient. Liana wants me to make a post like this with some long “screed,” as they described it to the police. “prove the harassment” bitch, you called the cops on me twice over Twitter posts, as if they were a direct line into my private life and thoughts and the cops told me it “looked like harassment,” and *told you to stop calling,* which YOU called harassment, nuff said. And here I am, making one, but, it’s a bit different, isn’t it?
Thing is, all these copy-paste screenshots are it. It’s all right there. There’s not much else to say.
Kerzner’s clearly threatened, in my opinion alone, by me accomplishing anything because Liana has made it a *PARAMOUNT* element of their story that we’re so pathetic and… well, me really, since Maus has been producing things this entire time… that I’m so pathetic, hateful, disabled (ableist much?), or lying about being disabled (just… wow), and idiotic, riling myself up into ‘ragers’ and whatever, that I can’t get a single actual thing done.
What happens when there’s mounting evidence that, no, I actually can get significant things done?
A huge development in the circumstances of my harassment and victimization! Kerzner *IS* talking about us the whole time!
Whatever. Since the hospitalization my view on this has changed.
The kind doctors helped me see that Kerzner doesn’t decide anything *for me.* Liana decides things about me *for herself* and others happen to listen to her. Intellectually, I knew that, but emotionally it was registering as the former. I felt completely erased and without a voice.
No longer.
The age of distraction is over.
Kerzner only accomplishes this if they’re worth spending time on:
They aren’t.
PS Kerzner, please spare everyone the inane “trap card” bullshit. You failed big time.